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WEATHER · FORECAST CHANGE

Same data, two guidance systems: switching to the National Blend moved up to 67 points of probability

On Oct. 3 PropBetEdge published Sunday's city highs twice from the same data cutoff — first from GFS MOS, then from the National Blend of Models. The immutable snapshots show how much the guidance alone moves a probability distribution.

Published Model data as of Oct 3 17:00ZBy the PropBetEdge Predictions Desk3 min read

Original illustration © PropBetEdge Predictions (code-generated editorial art)

69%9%

Austin · “79° or below” · v1.0 GFS MOS → v1.1 National Blend

Cities compared7
Largest shift67 ptsAustin
Data cutoff17:00identical for both
LIVE UPDATE · not part of the original story

Highest temperature in Austin on Oct 4, 2026?

79° or below · RESOLVED

PBE · live intraday86%+77 pts since publication
KalshiNo two-sided quote
GapNo comparable quote

At KAUS: high so far 77.0°F · latest 75.2°F () · rain so far 0.06 in · STALE

RESEARCH PBE Oct 4 22:23Z · market

  1. UPDATE · Oct 4 20:13Z PBE 49% pbe-weather-maxtemp-intraday@2.1.0 · data cutoff Oct 4 19:43Z
  2. UPDATE · Oct 4 20:28Z PBE 61% pbe-weather-maxtemp-intraday@2.1.0 · data cutoff Oct 4 20:28Z
  3. UPDATE · Oct 4 22:03Z PBE 90% pbe-weather-maxtemp-intraday@2.1.0 · data cutoff Oct 4 21:23Z
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Quick read

  • Same guidance cycle, same cutoff (Oct 3 17:00Z): v1.0 read GFS MOS, v1.1 read the National Blend.
  • Austin: “79° or below” went from 69% to 9% with no new weather data.
  • Up to 67 points of probability changed buckets (Austin); the most likely outcome changed in all 7 cities.
  • The blend is the default because it scored better on a 56,668-station-day holdout (log loss 2.4312 vs 2.5827).
  • A transient fetch failure briefly re-published GFS-only forecasts; the engine now holds instead.

What happened

At 18:31 UTC on Oct. 3, PropBetEdge published probability distributions for Sunday's high temperature in 7 cities using model version 1.0, which reads GFS MOS station guidance. At 18:45 UTC it published them again with version 1.1, which reads the National Blend of Models. Both sets used the same guidance cycle and the same data cutoff — Oct 3 17:00Z. Nothing about the weather changed between the two. Only the guidance did.

Because every forecast is an immutable snapshot, the pair is a controlled experiment that already happened in public: the same question, the same information, two guidance systems. Here is what it shows.

The guidance gap

EVIDENCENational Blend minus GFS MOS, Oct. 4 highSame 12Z cycle, same station; positive = the blend is warmer
-10-50+5+10-2Los Angeles+4Philadelphia+5Denver+3New York City-1Miami+4Austin-1Chicago
Units: °FAs of Oct 3 17:00ZSource: NWS NBM and GFS MOS station guidance via IEM, as stored with each v1.1 snapshot
Data table
CityGFS MOS °FNBM °FNBM − GFS
Los Angeles9795-2
Philadelphia65694
Denver78835
New York City61643
Miami9190-1
Austin79834
Chicago7271-1

The two guidance systems agreed within a degree in Miami and Chicago. They disagreed by four or more degrees in Philadelphia (GFS MOS 65°F, blend 69°F), Denver (GFS MOS 78°F, blend 83°F) and Austin (GFS MOS 79°F, blend 83°F). For contracts sold in two-degree buckets, four degrees is two whole buckets.

How much of each forecast moved

A useful single number is how much probability changed hands between buckets — the share of the distribution that moved (total variation distance). Zero means identical forecasts; 100 means no overlap at all.

FORECAST CHANGEShare of the probability distribution that moved, v1.0 → v1.1Same data cutoff; computed from the stored per-bucket probabilities
0+35+70+31Los Angeles+57Philadelphia+56Denver+40New York City+26Miami+67Austin+10Chicago
Units: percentage points of probabilityAs of Oct 3 18:45ZSource: PBE forecast archive
Data table
CityMoved (pts)Most likely v1.0Most likely v1.1
Los Angeles3197° to 98° (32%)95° to 96° (36%)
Philadelphia5764° to 65° (29%)68° to 69° (31%)
Denver5677° or below (39%)84° to 85° (30%)
New York City4062° or below (64%)63° to 64° (30%)
Miami2691° to 92° (44%)89° to 90° (50%)
Austin6779° or below (69%)84° to 85° (32%)
Chicago1069° or below (24%)70° to 71° (29%)

Austin moved most: 67 points of probability changed buckets. Chicago moved least, 10 points. In all 7 cities the most likely outcome itself changed.

Austin, bucket by bucket

Austin shows the mechanism clearly. GFS MOS forecast 79°F; the blend forecast 83°F. Version 1.0 put 69% on “79° or below”; version 1.1, from the same data, put 9% there and moved its weight to 84° to 85° (32%).

DISTRIBUTIONAustin: v1.0 (GFS MOS) vs v1.1 (National Blend) vs marketSnapshots 18:31 UTC and 18:45 UTC, Oct. 3; market = Kalshi mid captured with the v1.1 snapshot
v1.0 · GFS MOSv1.1 · National BlendMarket (raw mid)
79° or below
69%
9%
16%
80° to 81°
20%
12%
22%
82° to 83°
7%
32%
33%
84° to 85°
2%
32%
23%
86° to 87°
1%
12%
7%
88° or above
1%
3%
2%
Units: % probabilityAs of Oct 3 18:45ZSource: PBE forecast archive; Kalshi
Data table
Outcomev1.0 %v1.1 %Market %
79° or below69916
80° to 81°201222
82° to 83°73233
84° to 85°23223
86° to 87°1127
88° or above132

Why the blend is the default

Version 1.1 was not adopted on a hunch. Both versions were evaluated on the same chronological holdout — 56,668 station-days from 2025-07-01 to 2026-09-30 — scoring the probability each assigned to the exact reported high. The National Blend version's log loss was 2.4312; the GFS MOS version's was 2.5827 (lower is better). A simple average of the two scored 2.4252 on log loss but worse on Brier score (0.13901 vs 0.13827), so the model uses the blend alone and keeps GFS MOS only as a fallback.

It is tempting to ask which version agreed with the market. Of the 5 cities where every bucket had a two-sided quote, v1.1 was closer to the market's distribution in 4. That is not evidence of accuracy — the market is not the outcome. The scored record, built from snapshots fixed before each outcome, is the only place that question gets answered.

The fallback, and the fix

The archive also shows what went wrong. In all 7 cities, a GFS-only version was published again at 19:15 UTC and 19:30 UTC, after the engine failed to fetch the National Blend run, before the blend version returned on the next cycle. The same data cutoff produced public numbers that flipped back and forth — exactly the kind of change that is not a forecast change. The engine now holds a station when a guidance fetch fails instead of falling back. The snapshots stay in the archive; nothing is rewritten. For scoring, the FIRST_PUBLISHED role for these contracts belongs to the v1.0 forecast — it was first — and FINAL_PRE_RESOLUTION to the last forecast before each city's climate day begins.

Takeaway

For daily temperature contracts, the choice of guidance can matter as much as the weather. When a PropBetEdge probability changes, the snapshot archive shows whether new data arrived or the model changed — and this page shows the size of the second effect on a day when it was the only thing that changed.

Evidence & method

What this story is based on. Every value above was read from these immutable records.

OutcomeModelSnapshotCompared withCapturedData cutoffMarket
Los Angeles · 95° to 96°pbe-weather-maxtemp@1.1.0 · RESEARCH2e2001e3-4534-40f7-a931-9200669cc4ed4503940f-572b-40a0-9e0a-edcc6d984624Oct 3 18:45ZOct 3 17:00Z13%
Philadelphia · 68° to 69°pbe-weather-maxtemp@1.1.0 · RESEARCH0f36992a-0679-435f-be2e-acd7b6296cfa99866953-93ca-44b8-8710-c08bfabe475eOct 3 18:45ZOct 3 17:00Z22%
Denver · 84° to 85°pbe-weather-maxtemp@1.1.0 · RESEARCH1383fc25-924b-400c-ad76-a712fcd947ee50906083-0b07-4cf0-9bd6-5924b640a201Oct 3 18:45ZOct 3 17:00Z22%
New York City · 63° to 64°pbe-weather-maxtemp@1.1.0 · RESEARCH6a150bb1-1ae3-4fe8-acbe-daba5f72521a5d412d7b-511d-4ef3-9fcd-c35ea66271d4Oct 3 18:45ZOct 3 17:00Z44%
Miami · 89° to 90°pbe-weather-maxtemp@1.1.0 · RESEARCH09ceaf53-3830-4ef8-876c-4d3edd81cc5b6a41a62e-90cd-48ad-92a1-7e877cdf9c28Oct 3 18:45ZOct 3 17:00Z47%
Austin · 84° to 85°pbe-weather-maxtemp@1.1.0 · RESEARCH7a51cf79-568a-4a68-adf9-9ad15e89d2b31e171cb8-f0f9-4d66-a719-efc7593d2c54Oct 3 18:45ZOct 3 17:00Z23%
Chicago · 70° to 71°pbe-weather-maxtemp@1.1.0 · RESEARCH1e66f372-da22-467d-9843-faf32da180ef4b6d4b1b-04a3-43e7-b068-e3e3ae5d50ffOct 3 18:45ZOct 3 17:00Z17%

Source families: NOAA/NWS via Iowa Environmental Mesonet archive · NOAA Regional Climate Centers ACIS · NOAA/NWS api.weather.gov. Market = Kalshi mid captured with each snapshot.

RESOLUTION RULE
Resolves on
The Weather Company (weather.com/kalshi) — The Weather Company daily maximum temperature for CLIAUS (weather.com/kalshi)
Independent check
NWS Daily Climate Report CLIAUS (WFO EWX); NOAA RCC-ACIS USW00013904
Measurement
Maximum temperature for the climate day 2026-10-04, 00:00-24:00 local standard time (UTC-6)
Rounding
Whole degrees Fahrenheit as reported; preliminary values may differ by rounding/conversion
Exceptions
Preliminary data may be revised; the exchange may hold expiration until a non-erroneous revision, else last fair price
If the maximum temperature recorded at Austin (CLIAUS) for Oct 4, 2026, is less than 80° fahrenheit according to The Weather Company, then the market resolves to Yes.
MODEL LIMITATIONS
  • Pre-window only; no current-conditions input
  • Guidance can run cold/hot in unusual regimes (see LA diagnostic, 2026-10-04)

Weather · daily high — inputs: National Blend of Models day max (GFS MOS fallback) + station empirical guidance-error tables. This model on the research board →

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